These Are The 3 Battle Scenes Hollywood Actually Got Right

Entertainment
Screengrab from YouTube trailer for the movie “Platoon.”

When it comes to war movies and combat scenes, there are some things that bring the fourth wall crashing down, at least for military personnel and veterans.


Phrases like “lock and load,” and “get some,” or unnecessary commands such as “hold the line,” are just a few. You can also add improper weapons handling, messed-up uniforms, and when a small unit leader says things like “listen here, private” to the list.

As a veteran it’s pretty easy to spot a bad military movie, but picking out a good one is a bit trickier, and this is especially true for combat scenes in war movies.

James D. Dever has been working as a military technical advisor since he retired from the Marines in the late 90s as a sergeant major. Task & Purpose asked the former reconnaissance Marine what his favorite war movie firefights were and why.

Related: A Hollywood military advisor explains how veterans can break into show biz »

The biggest mistake, and the most common, that movies make is using the wrong uniform and equipment.

“It doesn’t matter what period, it’s the uniforms, and the way they move and act; to me it brings realism,” says Dever. “Some of these movies you see now, it looks like they got the wardrobe off the rack and put it on. It doesn’t look dirty, or sweaty, or you feel like they’ve had that uniform on for a while.”

Another common mistake is when the tactics don’t fit the time period, like when a guy carrying an M1 Garand during World War II has his finger straight and off the trigger, or has the weapon at the low ready.

“The safety is in the trigger, so when the safety is on, you have to put your finger in the trigger well, press forward to undue the safety,” says Dever, who admits that while civilians in the audience may not notice, some veterans will, and mistakes like that can quickly pull you out of a movie.

For Dever, getting the right weapons and equipment is just the start. What really makes a war movie believable, and combat in particular, is the demeanor of the service members on screen.

So, which movies have the least risk of breaking that fourth wall?

While there are a host of recent war movies and television shows that are spot on — “American Sniper,” “Saving Private Ryan,” the “Band of Brothers” series, to name a few — here are Dever’s top three war movies in terms of authenticity, historical realism, and believability.

Zulu

“If you’ve never seen that movie, check it out,” says Dever of the 1964 war film set during the Anglo-Zulu War in 1879.

It’s the tactics that make “Zulu” authentic, Dever says, explaining that it was the way Michael Caine’s character Lt. Gonville Bromhead directed the British troops was accurate for the time period.

“You’ll see the formations that fit that time period, the rifles, the way they act,” says Dever. “It’s so real, that’s what makes it a good movie.”

Pork Chop Hill

“Pork Chop Hill, that’s another one,” says Dever.

The movie stars Gregory Peck as Army Lt. Joe Clemons, and focuses on a major battle of the Korean War, from which the film takes its name. For Dever, the film’s authenticity is rooted in the interaction and dialogue between the soldiers.

“The way Gregory Peck as the company commander, the way he talks to his men, and the way they respond is so real,” says Dever. “Again, in that movie, you’ll get to see ripped trousers, ripped shirts; you’ll get to see the dirt and the grime.”

In one scene, the men are outflanked after Love Company is routed. Peck’s character tasks a soldier to break off a squad and two machine gunners to hold the flank; essentially they need to accomplish what an entire company couldn’t do. Understandably, there are objections.

“If Love Company couldn’t do it, how do you expect me?” the man asks, to which Peck responds: “Do it first and tell me how you did later.”

Dever says that it’s scenes like this that make you as a viewer believe the actors are actually military officers and leaders.

Platoon

Oliver Stone’s 1987 Vietnam War drama sets a high bar for war films, says Dever. Following Chris Taylor, a U.S. Army infantryman during the Vietnam War in 1967, the film is as much about the battles between opposing forces as it is about the fight between the expectation of war and the reality, with disillusionment the end result.

Dever says the firefights and battles in the film were accurate to the time: proper weapons handling, equipment, tactical movement for that era.

However, what makes the movie believable to Dever is that the characters sound and look like the battle-hardened infantrymen they portray: beat down, deep in the shit, without a fuck left to give.

“You believe they’re out there in Vietnam, watching the movie,” says Dever. “They’re sweaty, they’re dirty, the way they talk, the way they act, and the way they carry their weapons.”

WATCH NOW: 

CAMP PENDLETON — The military prosecution of a Coast Guardsman accused of murder began Wednesday with a preliminary hearing at Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton.

Seaman Ethan W. Tucker, 21, was arrested August 28 after a seven-month Coast Guard investigation into the January death of Seaman Ethan Kelch, 19, who served on the same ship as Tucker— the Kodiak, Alaska-based high endurance cutter Douglas Munro.

Read More Show Less

ANKARA (Reuters) - President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday Turkey would press on with its offensive into northeastern Syria and "crush the heads of terrorists" if a deal with Washington on the withdrawal of Kurdish fighters from the area were not fully implemented.

Erdogan agreed on Thursday in talks with U.S. Vice President Mike Pence a five-day pause in the offensive to allow time for the Kurdish fighters to withdraw from a "safe zone" Turkey aims to establish in northeast Syria near the Turkish border.

Read More Show Less

President Trump stoked confusion Friday by declaring the U.S. has "secured the Oil" in the Middle East amid continued fallout from the Turkish invasion of northern Syria that he enabled by pulling American troops out of the region.

It wasn't immediately clear what the president was talking about, as there were no publicly known developments in Syria or elsewhere in the Middle East relating to oil. White House aides did not return requests for comment.

Read More Show Less

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. State Department investigation of Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of state has found no evidence of deliberate mishandling of classified information by department employees.

The investigation, the results of which were released on Friday by Republican U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley's office, centered on whether Clinton, who served as the top U.S. diplomat from 2009 to 2013, jeopardized classified information by using a private email server rather than a government one.

Read More Show Less

BYESVILLE — A Meadowbrook High School student removed from class last Friday for being intoxicated is now facing a felony charge after allegedly threatening to shoot people if the previous incident harmed his chances to join a branch of the United States military.

Gabriel D. Blackledge, 18, of Cambridge, is facing one count of making terrorist threats, a third-degree felony, filed by the Guernsey County Sheriff's Office on Thursday. Blackledge remained incarcerated in the county jail on a $250,000 bond with no 10 percent allowed, according to the sheriff's office's website.

Read More Show Less